Allen replied 15 years ago (Mar 11th 2009, 2:06:36 pm) In D&C 131:7, Joseph Smith said "There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes." Joseph did not explain what he meant buy "more fine or pure". In order to better understand that statement about spirit matter, a number of people are forming models of spirit matter.