Brent Ok, let's see... cheers Richard

Hi Rich, I believe we've resolved all your issues, so we can unify this camp. I'm going to move your camp into a supporting position of the "Qualia are the most important part" camp. And I hope you'll move your support up to the super camp level, so we can recycle this camp that should be no longer needed. Thanks Brent Allsop

Brent QESM does not fit under the subjective mind is made of qualia (SMQ) camp for the simple and important reason that QESM holds that the subjective mind is more than qualia. They are alternative, overlapping views: neither is a sub-camp of the other. It is legitimate to assert that all there is to the subjective mind is qualia (though, obviously, i think that is not true). What is needed at this level, given the topic question, are two camps: for and against the topic proposition. QESM and SMQ both belong under the for camp. I would also suggest rephrasing the SMQ camp statement which talks about trash or trashy. How about "speculative"? cheers Richard

Richwil, Would object if I moved this camp into a supporting position with the "The Subjective Mind is Made of Qualia" camp? Brent Allsop

Rich, I agree with everything in this new camp. But is it a yes camp? If so, then perhaps we can merge our camps, or possibly move our camp into a supporting sub camp position, rather than competing / disagreeing with each other? Brent Allsop