xodorap and richwil, In case you haven't heard, I'm planning on attending the "Decade of the Mind" (http://dom-4.org/) conference next week. I'm going to be promoting our effort here and it would really be great if we could get your support moved over to the new theories camp. xodorap, like most of the rest of the camps in this 'Hard Problem' topic, they have moved the theory of consciousness part of their camp to that topic. They are then just referencing those camps here, and adding a bit of info about how it relates to the 'Hard Problem' Would you be willing to create a new "Updateing model of self in the world" camp over there before next week? richwil, I've already moved your "Speculation about pipes does not follow" to the new topic here: http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/10 Would you be willing to add your support to this camp before next week? Thanks for all the support guys! Brent Allsop